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Tony Lewis Jr & Tony Lewis Sr Talk Life Before/After Prison, First Step Act +More

Tony Lewis Jr & Tony Lewis Sr Talk Life Before/After Prison, First Step Act +More

Thu, 25 May 2023 15:51

Tony Lewis Jr & Tony Lewis Sr Talk Life Before/After Prison, First Step Act +More

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You know, coming up here five years ago, you know, doing stuff all across the country, doing stuff in DC, but also utilizing our struggle to help, you know, so many other families that was in a similar situation, being inspiration and hope and then finally, you know, due to so much advocacy, my brother push a tee, connecting me with Britney K. Barnett, who I call I'm Martin, they heard your tell me and her organization brand a lot of projects. Child of people like Corey Jacobs, who also part of that. Branded Jones. Yeah, she ran the Jones. And eventually that unlocked, those gates and 65 days ago, my father stepped out of federal prison. Have you adjusted yet, my brother? I'm trying. Yeah, just get near the technology. That's kind of the whole city's change, gentrification, white people. I'm like these things. I think there's any that like context for that though, really right? We live in the most gentrified place in America. Yeah, these five years, yeah, DC and Friday, he's going, I was up here. I talked a bit about that, right? Well, he left in 1989, 34 years ago. So we when it was really chocolate. Yeah, it was really well. It's now blocked, man, like I don't know who everything is just really changed a lot. So for him to walk, walk into that is that's all. And where is everybody also who we're there before? That's the other question, you know, sorry, but you know, that's a pretty important. I can definitely tell that he's still like, hold up, it was going on because even when I walked up to him and spoke to me like, y'all might want to chill out. We're like, I'm not going to walk up all happy. You know, but you can get me hug. And you know, he only give hugs regular. He like, no, don't touch too much. And then he put the two fingers on the back like, I know back off, you know, hey, hey, I was telling, I'm watching her from prison. I know she was. Okay. I appreciate that. Big fan of hers. I love that. Thank you. And you're not from Baltimore. You're already in Baltimore. You know, it's crazy because, you know, I think what's beautiful about the DC Baltimore relationship is really grown. And it's through people like you yeah, people like and really a lot of it got to do with like, you know, people in the phase, you know, we do like, do like Stokey and D.W. I can just like my brother really sent out the Stokey. Yes. And then my guy so through that kind of work and trying to help out share community. And I think the whole idea of the DMV, which DCP one that's really with that from the beginning, Baltimore, people weren't with that from the beginning, but our region, even down to the 757, you know, starting to really show that there's a lot of beautiful things coming out of our area. Absolutely. Let's talk about the story a little bit, man. Tony Tony Senior, you served 34 years for your role in one of the largest most notorious crack cocaine crime rings in that region. Like what got you into the game? Poverty. Poverty, uh, thing of her household, you know, like the regular, not regular, but back in my, our whole street was basically that's what it was, at least on my side of the street, right? Way of fair, poverty, um, drugs, violence, the whole block. So you knew that's all you stole. That was the job. Like, you know, like people say about getting a job, that was the job. We knew nothing else. So the culture and the poverty is what led to me, um, uh, selling drugs and, you know, trying to have my family, mother, single parent, sisters, brothers, uh, friends, and uh, it just grew and she is a culture, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So that's, that's what, uh, because you ever think it was going to get that big? Because y'all, you know, I always say in the 80s, y'all were like early investors in like a tech company or something, you know what I mean? Like y'all were the ones who really, really got it. Yeah, I never, uh, I never set forth in it to become big or drug. I really, I was trying to just survive to help my family eat, mom, pay the bills, you know, like, gas get cut off from time to time, the way I've had to check any last, you know, like it, you know, so that was, that's where I got in and, uh, and you know, like I said, was a culture and, uh, always work hard or whatever I did. So, that's all in drugs, I work hard and I came up and I work hard and I see the money and it kept, you know, wanting to get more and more, but not to glorify it at all, but back then that was the culture. What's the most you had at one time? Uh, I had a few million in cash. Thanks. Back then that was, that was a lot, you know, I knew the man was a little less, but yeah, I got to get a few million, uh, in my early 20s, when I'm getting arrested at 26 and, uh, that was it. Yeah. Done. That was it. I'm like, two years of bawling. A year of, um, actually more because I saw like when I was 14, you know, but of course, small stuff and, you know, but big stuff came, you know, later, money wise and everything else, but marijuana from the beginning and, you know, stuff like, you know, small stuff like that, but in our block, you know, turn from marijuana to cocaine, not my making, you know, other people making what Ronald Reagan thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Couple of you right there too. Yeah. You see the dominant capital, we, we 10 blocks, 12 blocks from the capital, well, street is, and I think that, that really is, it's something to that though, to say that, right? Yeah. You can stand on our block or any corner DC in the presidential motorcade, you may ride by like a little sense, um, that is the backdrop to, you know, out store. And I grew up on the sound that same block. Same, right? And, and, and a more even delier time is now the queen of harder crack epidemic. You feel me saying, I'm coming up in the 90s, you know what I mean? Uh, and we the murder capital United States and, um, you know, it's, it's just like complete destruction and just desperation. Um, and I'm just so happy that I had him from prison. It's crazy. It was when they got locked up, man. You know, uh, being nine years old, I'm the only child, you know, saying from the course stuff is on the news every day. Then they went, they was getting prefronted treatment at DC jail so they go to Quantico Marine based. Yeah. I'm saying, so you go visit at the sale, like we had the marine base, m16s and marines. It's not a prison. And I'm, that's embedded in my brain to this day. They don't shift out the Lampau, California for the next 13 years. Um, and I'm just shanning at the talk about how that is. And I'm on that block. He three thousand miles away. My mother started dealing with severe mental illness that she still, you battles to this day. So I lost my, both my parents in a way that I had them prior. Um, and, and had to navigate through that, which we just described. But I had him on the other end of phone and them letters, you know, every day telling me to like make better choices. Right. You know, doing everything that he could from prison to ensure that I don't, you know, I mean following them saying footsteps, but at the end of the day, I'm growing up in the exact same thing. That's why I wake up feeling like the lucky man alive. And, and even with all of that, you could have still took another turn. What made you not turn to Rick St. Patrick with all this? Yeah. I listen. You know, I watch them. I go like from real to all just saying. Yeah. Yeah. Because when we come from an eight night nose, just like he just nothing at all my uncles, all his friends, then people ain't leave with him. They were still around. And people, people did give me, you know, so much information of like slug. That's where everybody called my slug. So I'm different. You got something different. I had a strong grandmother. My aunts, you know, and other dudes on the community in general just wanted me to do something different, but nobody could show me how. That's where the problem came. Do something different. But who, who else? Well, it's personal. That's what, yeah. But I was able to, you know, by the grace of God, I was able to kind of, you know, find my way. But what really saved me wasn't linear like that, though, just what happened was I was about 20. I still ain't, you know what I'm gonna do. I don't, you know, but I got a job doing Peter Pitt Valor's interruption, like a job, a job basically. People closest to the problem that got their peace. You know what I mean? I fell in love with the work. And I say, my like, that's what really, you know, I mean, put me on this path that I've been on for the last 23 years. You know what I'm saying? It has an active itself from, you know, getting in my legit, but being sort of leading voices, um, I stand at the intersection like poverty, mass incarceration, and gun violence in my city, you know, well, the turning point in the, like the free Tony Lewis movement. Like when did you start seeing hope? I mean, I always felt like, I don't, you know, I was going to make it happen. But the biggest turning point, I, uh, I think when, when, when, you know, through the years, like people that might run wild, a lot of other guys, you know, helping and pushing push push push push, but when push, it introduces us to bring you by that right. Um, we had other turnable when we were pushing, it makes that intro. Um, he made the song coming home with Long Hill. She mentioned his pop song. That's when, uh, her legal prowess, and then she connected with a law firm, Aaron Fox shift and DC to be able to represent him. Um, I fell hopeful. Love the first motion, uh, that, that, that she files though, it's Joe. He gets denied for it though. You know, when I did the free Tony Lewis rally, we were like thousand people. Um, at Black Lives Matter Plaza, um, and we filed a motion after that, and that motion get denied. I was like, man, but great. It was like, now it's like, Tony, we going back in. Yeah. And we just kept, you know, kept pushing. You know, I mean, I kept bugging, you know, you and everybody else. Let me come on. Let me talk about you. You know, you know, me because, you know, I, I felt like I started a family man. You know, now I grew up, right? But also I got married. I, you know, I'm saying my two daughters and I ain't one of my babies keep visiting no federal prison. Yeah. I'm saying, yeah, I grew up like that. You know, and then we had seen them, saying, we're co-overhit. We didn't go see what pop says. Three, four, three, three, years. Yeah. We even go on a visit because he was like, nah, he like, nah, I don't even want to see them in here. Yeah. We're gonna do, we're, I'm gonna see them when I come home. Right. Yeah. I don't even know. I ain't no, yeah. It was just good energy and hope. Prayers, you know, and faith in you, son, you know. Yeah. And we, you know, we did some of my things important too that gave me hope. My father's, you know, pop's, we got different personalities. You know, introverted in that. When he started running this help to run this program called Young Men in Corporated, the guy named Dominic Henry started. There was a former federal image came back into this program. And I do the peanut King out of Boston. Yeah. Yeah. But they ran it was mid-term. Just don't know who that is. Yo, chill. You know, I know. She from the county. She from the county. I'm saying something on that man. Yeah. That's my man's pee. You tell me a little bit about why I'm like, you know more, I mean, you can explain it better than you. Yeah, it was, it was a mentoring, a peer-oriented mentoring group, I would say. They got the most high profile guys in the prison to be a part of it. Most of the young men look up to them, they say to save it to have most high profile guys in the prison. And so I was reluctant at first to take part in it really because I was doing some other things. And I'm always mentoring. I'm doing this on a regular anyway and it's consuming because the young guys always want to talk and want to bring you all the problems and the girl problem is all the problem. Like, what about my problem, young? But it's all good. But anyway, not took, I took part and it really was really was, it was really good. It was gratifying. So I think you got to come in. Council members came in. Yeah. We had a rock and a rolling in. It was a good awarding who was pro programming. You know, he was with it. And you don't always get in the comfort and to federal prison in the ways that I was able to come in and collaborate with my father. Yeah, that was that. That didn't happen. I don't know people I really understand. That does not happen. And also came in and interviewed him and did a PSA to the young men in our community. But put the guns down for the men. Right. So when I saw him opening up and saw that like the work that I was doing on the outside, we'd always connected on it. Like helping the guys in there, their children, you know, their children in the community, I would help. But for him to take it by the horns like that. Yeah. It made me go even harder because I'm like, he's even growing in a different way that wasn't really, you know, I'm saying it happened it before. So that made me keep pushing. Yeah, we can't leave our big home. We have a little girl. She'll seal born weight. He's a big part of it. Silver is a big part of Timothy Williams, Tony James Kirby Birx. He's good men still in prison with life sentences that they work in every day. No matter what the weight they got on their back, they helping these young guys not to come back out and pick these guns back up. That means a lot, man, but he's an on no. They don't know. So I got the body share some light on them guys. What was the legislation that actually got the his sentence overturned? First step back. Yeah. It was a Trump era before. And, you know, again, back five years ago on the interview, I was in, you know, because I helped advocate for that as well. Right. But at the time, we didn't even think that he would be able to benefit from the first step out. But obviously other stuff that I benefit, I mean, that I advocated for, you know, was about not us. It was about the great and other American families all across this country to benefit. You know what I'm saying? So the first step, you know, and shout out to, to, to, you know, cut 50 dream core van Jones and all that crew. And Hawking Jeffries also who introduced the bill, but Trump signing the law party, about 20,000 people have come, come home off that reform. And, you know, something that's really, really important to us. And when we plan on working on together, moving forward, yeah. We actually got to meet in tomorrow in the same vein as that. You know, the Biden administration Joe Biden president Biden, listening up, listening up. Very, very, very, very inactive. I think when he heard he started off the check about appearances. I checked this out. So, so infrastructure, you know, these things he ran on infrastructure, did that computer chips, did that climate change, did that gun control to the, to the extent that he could impact that. For example, did that, stewed loan debt to a certain degree did that, but this Mr. Biden is your issue. This is you can do by executive order. You do not need congressional collaboration to do this. Right? No, by executive order. He has the clemency power, power to pay. Absolutely. Right? And we need you to do that. We need you to commute since we need you to reunite American families like I was the joy that we're feeling that, you know, just to be reconnected. So this is on him directly. Oh, it's his 86 mandatory minimum citizen. He has crack logs. 94. I absolutely do everything. Like for real. Like it's, it's, it's, it's here's the due and it's time to do it. I went to a vendor justice department. What was that? About three weeks ago. Three weeks ago, we went and then I say this all like I don't, I'm glad that those 31 families have been reunited. But come on, man. On 31, pardon the commentation. 31, you got thousands of people languishing under these hard sentences, man, for crack cocaine and mandatory minimums. And they've done their time. They've done their point more than their time. Right? So it's not like you just got to get out of jail free car. We told people to have done 25, 30, 30, 30 days. They've done their time more than their time. They never got that much time. The reason I mentioned, the reason I think Biden should make this a main issue is because number one, he was the architect of all of those bills, but he's admitted to it. Like when we had him on breakfast club, you know, people always get caught up in the U.A. in black comment, but there was a moment when I'm talking to him about writing his wrongs of math and incarceration, you know, with the 94 crime bill. He was like, he wasn't the 94 crime bill. It was the 86 man, 200 man or six. And I was like, you wrote that to him. Yeah. That's the one. Yeah. That's the one. What you get out of that is the destabilization in my opinion, greatest destabilization or the destabilize of communities like ours, no matter who lives there. Right. If you got it, where it took people out of the community, yes, people should have been held accountable, even in the free Tony Lewis movement. I never said he went up a little prison. I never was like, he shouldn't have never went to jail. I should have went to jail, but just not for me. That's real. That's real. I should have went to prison. I'm mad enough to set my responsibility. I should have went to prison, but not for rest of my name. Yeah. And it's like, it's like one of those situations where you can really do that. It should be a criteria. The other thing is people should not have to go before these judges. And it depending on website of the bed, they woke up on your freedom is based on that. Yeah. The issue be if you did this amount of time, you shown rehabilitation, you should do it. The other part of it though, for President Biden and VP Harris, listen, well, not only should people be reunited with their families, but you guys should take the steps to make the federal workforce, which I'm a part of, the federal workforce, a model for second chance hiring. See, we got to clear up some of these burdens. My father did 34 years, but it's still place ZK and working can't live. Think about that. Right. That means so. So you still technically in, you know, in some type of way. That's the potential. There's no question about it. If he don't got me, right? You know, to navigate this new world after 34 years, you know what I'm saying, and trying to find your way, but I work in it. I deal with guys who don't have a me, who don't have stability. They got to release to homeless shelters and jobs that they qualify for, but can't get them. After serving that, that's a society. Like, we need to really foster a culture of redemption. You know, if we really want public safety, if we really want communities to thrive and things of that nature, and I think this administration should lead with that on both fronts. I agree. And it need to happen like now. Mr. Louis Senior, how did you feel watching your son, your namesake? Hmm. Be out here fighting for you, man. In that way. That's what kept me going, man. So much pride, so much joy. I get emotional, man, because it's, it's hard for me to explain, but maybe my son, we talk about it all the time. Somebody different experiences. Guys coming in to prison. Man, your son helped me get a job, but I messed up because I went back on drugs, but he helped me. Then at the end, I'm going to get out next month. Can you, can you, can you, can you hook me back up with him? I was like, man, I'll give you a name, but he, my son, he, remember these guys, man. And also I read your son's book and inspired me so much, you know, Slug, you know, his book Slug, just a wonderful life guide, you know, especially for us, and now coming up in the same mood and the black community. But just so much inspiration, I'm so proud of him. And to top it off, we're getting his day free, because he even helped me get a lot of other people free. I was like, son, where did they go get me? Yeah, you know, because a lot of things that he tried to, had a situation he tried to get changed or enacted, we was always looking at it, thinking it was going to help us like drugs, my honest two. That was the first thing we say we got denied. I mean, the drugs minus two things with someone very, you know, we was almost sure. It was a legislation that will, the sentence commission has an enactment saying that all drugs, you could get, you was eligible for two-point reduction no matter what the drugs were or what the amount were. And to combat the 86 mandatory men. Yeah, and everybody was benefiting so we put out most of them and said, oh, you was fighting for that son, I should get it for the most of them. Joe is getting. Didn't I? Didn't I? How? Oh, you had too much crack cocaine too much. Yeah, I said all drugs minus two no matter what. But for me, it was always something technicality that, you know, even the first crack cocaine was two points minus two that was separate from the two points minus drugs. But the crack one, we got denied on that too. You know, the sentence. So, yeah, so it's been most cool things that, you know, and actually on the drug minus two again, shout out, you know, the push it, he helped, we did it right. I spoke about that when I was up here five years ago. But even for context for a lot of the list, like a lot of people heard like Big Meets got a reduction. That's what he got. Big Meets got two points reduction. He got the two point, you know what I'm saying. We, so something that we helped push through, you know, like that. And Britney got the two point. Britney was his turn. Yeah. Yeah. Big Meets. Cause she hit me and said, uh, yeah, I got a bit meek, big meester. I think I like off the two, but maybe seven years off his sentence. Yeah. Six left. Yeah. And, uh, but they denied me. Yeah. Yeah. Um, for the same thing. But it was all good. The judge had the discretion. And that's the other thing about these, these things with a mandatory minimum. The judge ain't had no discretion. If you met a certain guy line, they had to give you that amount of time. Right. But now in the thing that was supposed to bring relief based on the mandatory minimums, the judge got four discretion. I felt like that was sort of ironic, you know. Um, now if you got like, uh, uh, I don't want to use the term left no more. Cause it's, this is getting what? But if you got a judge that's more for those things, then yeah, you're in good shape. But if you got a conservative judge or high line, you're like, I'm not sure. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. He's going, no, this is what before people like him. Yeah. Yeah. He has to be, you know, the guy that was considered to be leaders and imagine me as the activists as an advocate and all that I'm seeing is happening around me all the time. Everything that I'm helping to push. Yeah. I'm not the sole guy responsible. I'm lending my influence. And I'm my dad and can't benefit from it. But I couldn't stop though. You know, the guy I knew that, uh, there's no way my father was going to die in prison. But we up against the federal government and you had an honest, these government. But I just always felt and with the push of my, you know, my DC community and abroad, you know, we were able to make this happen. And I hope this, you know, this hope for the 10 million children in this country that have had an inconsequited parent for people that's in prison. But I think the main thing for me, not to be talking too much, but I think it's so important. That's true. Yeah. For a brother. Yeah. It's so important to note though that, um, you know, it's also, uh, my dad didn't, my dad had two and 34 years on like two infractions. He did things to get better. He did things to help other inmates. He did things to help our community. So it wasn't just me. His actions as a man, you know what I mean? You know, could have, he could have been, you know, turned up and then they're all got a lot of, there's a lot going on in prison. Even if you don't want to get turned of it, sometimes you force to and being from DC, we, you know, I love my homies, but we stay in, we stay in stuff in prison, you know what I'm saying? And then Baltimore and Mexico. Yeah. I was raised. When I was being a prison. It was crazy. So I can really, you know, I came home. So, yeah, it's for real. You, yeah. You know, just every four million dollars. You know, I just didn't have my sign. You know, I was, you know, don't play with me. You know, why was you the only person still serving time? Yeah. I was touched for what you was trying to figure out. You know, that's what we were trying to figure out. Why without only everybody was like every time I call home call for it, like, don't, what the fuck? Why they let me on your, all your Holy Fingers go home. It's what you only want. Yeah. What you don't even want. I'm like, man, I'm fighting. That's all I can say. I don't know why I'm the only one because they look at you with the leader. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, with him, grateful, man, grateful. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, he did. So he was already set to come home whenever, no matter what. But I had to fight my son had to, if it don't be for my son, I'd be still languishing in prison. You know, yeah. When you watch the shows like the snow falls and the BML, because I heard you say early, you don't want to glorify it. But how do you tell your story without glorifying, glorifying. Right. See, I tell the story, but then even the middle at the end, I say, I'm not glorifying what I'm saying. And I'm not, but it's the truth. Yeah. I got to tell the truth, you know, good or bad. But still, I'm not glorifying. If I had to do it all, if I had the opportunity to do it all different, I would do it different. I wouldn't sell drugs. I wouldn't they broken the law. Yeah. I would have tried to find another way. But I'm gonna say that. I'm gonna say this though when you compare, you know, I'm saying like all them up, them other stories, and that seems all different humility. But all of the stories ain't got to me. Yeah. That's the difference. Yeah. Like this, like, this, like, this, like, uh, uh, uh, uh, and this fiction. But I'm saying this, like, I'm with, I'm with Vito wanting Michael to become, like, I'm just a God for all of my real life. This, if I took the family legit, you ain't got this in the other stories. Yeah. And that's serious. And not to mention, you know, I climbed the crooked ladder and sent back down the street one in my city. Um, you know, I'm saying you be hard pressed to find them. I just help more people. Yeah. I'm talking about people from this circumstance. People when people, all through federal prison, DC guys, they, when they come home, they say, I got C Tony Lewis. Joey, I got because he can help me. Yeah. And that's real. You know what I'm saying? And that's the part that's the time. They held me every day in prison. When every time that somebody get ready to get out six months before, everybody said nothing to me. The whole time they been in the unit. Um, hey, hey, Tony, I've been meeting the talk to you, man. Uh, which just, you just sound still helping people get them jobs. I said, yeah, he's the up. You're looking at the man. Can you help me? I'm helping my information. Can you do that? I say I see what I can do. But I said I'm watching your acts and I talk a lot of time when I see how you move in here. And then you come to me to try to get me to reference you to my son. But I've been seeing how you've been moving it. And if you ain't moving the right way, I'm not doing that. My son name goes on everything that he does when he connected and trying to get people employed men or housing or, you know, or whatever the case may be. And I'm not putting no bad people when I've been watching you for the last year to move in and hear the way that you move. No, I can't do that. I just being off of how God works because you got to, the unfortunate circumstance, cause some poor choices, but then I became your, your life's work, your purpose. And we always feed to the names, too. It really is, bro. And I'm saying I live, it's just so many dynamics. It's like I'm saying I don't, I ain't never moved. I'm going to have, you know, I'm saying, I'm saying block, I'm saying. And it do it from there that the whole community have watched my journey and go away to college. I went to college with the all over the universe. I ain't go away to school. Everything I did. And I didn't law so many friends. Yeah, streets to the, you know, violence and prison and, you know, overdose, overdose, and it still impact my life, but still everything, you know, still getting up to help my people. And then we talked about DC's gentrification and the native Washingtonian, you know, even me and my homegirl, my partner, Andrew Gagorio. Andrew, big of a stranger, man. You know, we, we started this whole thing DC natives day, just the fourth-si city that recognized people that grew up in DC. Yeah. Because it's like all the energy was focused on all the people moving to the city, you know, and we need a part of this, some of the progression. And, and so with that, though, it's like I've realized that has brought me a lot of clarity, you know. Mm-hmm. That's why the bullies ain't hit me. That's why when my friends with the jail on conspiracy, they ain't grabbed me, you know, that I, that was my purpose. And, and, and to now have him, beside me now, you know, I mean, I just, I'm so excited about what the future holds for us. Yeah. And our city and our family. This is going to be like the biggest thing for your daughters, though. Yeah. Like seeing that date, six and nine, you said, seeing that, you know what I'm saying, just like their standards are going to be so high for these black men. You understand what I'm saying? And that's really, really good. Like you could have, like I'm serious. You could have really went another way with this, you know, but your daughters are going to always, you can't even be a king, you know, to them. The rest of their life. And they got granted back. Yeah, man. Yeah. Baby said, baby said no, on school with them going to gymnastic practice. Yeah. Just everything anything they want far from here. And I'm loving it. Yeah. It's what I dreamt about. They provide you with any resources, like mental health resources for, you know, for you to help, to help you adjust. And I'm sure you got PTSD that you deal with. Yeah. Yeah. I can imagine. It's like, you know, I know that the city has those things. But you, you got to go and, you got to go and try to get them. It's not like how it should be that diminishing hit that look. This come on over here. Yeah. I've access to them. We go to the gate. Yeah. I've been part of that ecosystem. That's the real deal. We go that ecosystem. So we, you know, the program that I, you know, designed it, you know, we had a joint where it's crazy. You know, we ain't got no hat. We, we are, you know, everybody you do, you break a local law federal law, you do go to the fares and DC. But we don't even have halfway house now. So I have way house is actually people go to Baltimore. So, but a program I did out there with Andrew. We, we actually, the, the Bayrock of the program was 101 therapy. That's really, you know, I want us to do family therapy. We just been running around last 60, 60 days. But that's definitely a part of it, right? And I absolutely appreciate, you know, all the push you've been doing for well in this and mental health. You know, as grown up as a kid with a mom that dealt with mental health. Yeah. And I'm going to only, like I said, my only child went through all that with my mother into this day, right? I understand the value of that and to destigmatize that for our community. It's so important to make it accessible and affordable and, and, and to make you not crazy. We all need, I tell you, young is all the time, you break your anger. You be hooping. If you break your anger, you can just go in the house and just lay on the bed and let that joint here. Not go to the doctor. Right. So we got to look at mental health in that, in that same way. So it was definitely something that we know is necessary in the trauma that black men and women all across this country has experienced via incarceration is something I think that's definitely something that we don't talk about enough. I'm saying I shit real. What's next for y'all, man? And don't get taken movement. Yeah. And time. Cosseration. Anti-violence movement. Don't get taken. So all the young is out there. Exactly that. You know, don't put yourself in a position where you get taken either from the community via criminal justice system or, you know, obviously the cemetery. Too much violence and hijack and rob. Got to put the guns down, young people. We got to know. We got to put the guns down. Well, probably what you always say. You can't tell them the way. Would you, would you say? Yeah, you can't, where we can't, we can't ask them to put the guns down without picking something up. And they got to get a job or training or some type of more opportunity. And I always say this to our good mayor, mayor Bowser and the DC City Council. We need more opportunities. The young people need more opportunities, more jobs, more training. If we want to put the guns down. And they've been in trouble. That's the other part just to the burry of peace. And DC and everywhere else, if people made a mistake, they pay they debt. We cannot continue to hold them, like put that a scholarly letter on them and they can't engage. Because then the cities or the counties or the towns, whatever, create these quote unquote pathways or these opportunities. But if you got a criminal record, you can't do it. That's that, that, that, who you think needed the most. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And that definitely go for a place like Baltimore and New York and some of that. So what am I left to do? And my baby crown on them, light steel, got to be known. You know, so yeah, we got to get people to listen. Hopelessness is probably the most powerful thing there is. Right. And so when we start talking about our young people in our communities, if I've accepted death and I've accepted that death or incarceration is going to be my fate. And in some instances that my glory, you cannot deter me with that. You cannot deter me with some I've already accepted. It's going to happen. Yeah. So we got to be, you know, people feel like that hope. We got to, and hopefully this is make people feel hopeful. But we got to, we got to create systems that promote hope in these communities that there is something other than that street. You know what I'm saying? And really for me, I feel like it ain't, you can't aim that at youth. You have to aim that at family because the adults are destabilized. What you think will happen to the youth? Right. Exactly. Any young in any trouble, look at you, who does he belong to? What's the state of that household? That's the answers right there. So we got to attack that in my opinion. I don't need support to don't get taken movement. Right now, man, we really just trying to brand it, put it out in consciousness. Yeah. You know, I got it in slow being here today. Being here. Talking about it. We was talking about it. We was at school yesterday talking to you. Yeah. It's all about. Yeah. It's amazing. And we got to go back to the program where we going to be in community. We're going to be trying to work on a PSA that that's going to go out on social media. You know, pushing don't get taken. And hopefully we can, you know, get partners around it and really build it up to not just something in DC, but really a national movement, you know, for our young people, man, don't get taken. Any way we can help let us know, man. I have one last question. So I know you say, you don't you don't want to ever glorify what you did. You know, right. But would you ever do a story? Somebody came to you. Oh, yeah. Look, everybody else got this story. Everybody got this saying. Yeah, no question. Yeah, no question. That's what we want to do. No, you know what I mean? And like you said, everybody else story is the difference between is there is no you. Exactly. We don't have a you. So would you be? Oh, because this would be the first story like this on TV. Sure. Yeah. Love. Sure. I mean, you know, for sure. Thank you. I hope we will tell you though. That's the thing is America. Do America want to tell a story like this one, a story that ends the right way of a person that people that did it the right way. That's the question. And we still fighting for the men that's left behind. We still fighting the black the family. So we're just being bird. Can you burst? Talopard. Listen to us. All of us. Yeah. And he got to be them. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Don't even look at the point that they do it. And they got to highlight the fact that you are here doing God's work. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. People. Everybody went to drama. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Helping too many people. Yeah. But like you say, just somebody want to do it. Somebody will do it. And somebody's going to. Yeah. That's why I want to know. Appreciate you. Very well. For sure. You get just going to play one of your drug mules or something from back in the year. Oh, huh. This is definitely just you can play any role. You have to play any role. You have to play. That's what I'm saying, man. I know you play any role. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See? Welcome. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Tony Lewis. Tony, Tony, man. I've always respected the work you do. And now I'm glad you got your father. I hit doing it with you, man. Yeah. We appreciate you. You know that. It's the best club. Hi, I'm David Eagleman. I have a new podcast called Inner Cosmos on I Heart. I'm going to explore the relationship between our brains and our experiences by tackling unusual questions. Like, can we create new senses for humans? So join me weekly to uncover how your brain steers your behavior, your perception, and your reality. 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