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Justin Theroux

Justin Theroux

Wed, 24 May 2023 07:00

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Dada, da da da da da da. Just den, thorough. He looks a little like James Bond. He could pull that off. He's like a cool selected. He has a really cool fashion sense. He just has a cool, he is unintentionally enigmatic. He's just been around all these great things, but he doesn't, he's not at every premiere, you know, or anything. He just keeps kind of a low profile. Low-thirst level. He's not out there as cool friends. I think when I was out there about two summers ago, we went for a walk. I think Washington Park, to see everyone on drugs in the summer. And I think Gigi had a birthday party that night. He was going to. He's like, oh, you wouldn't want to go, but there's this big birthday party. I go, yeah, that would be horrible. I think I'll just go to Chili's with my friends. Did you go? Mm-hmm. Dana, I don't jump when you say frog. I understand. I'm very unpredictable. Well, Gigi Hadid called me. Oh. So what's up with space? Why are you there? No, I don't go anywhere. I'm a shut-in. You know that. Anyway, I cornered my hair for no reason. I didn't go. I just went to a outback. But Justin Thoreau, Ben Stiller told me, because we're friends, that he's kind of the man behind the scenes that influenced a lot of comedy in the last 25 years. And especially Tropic Thunder, which to me is probably the most brilliant, along with Hangover and Will Farrell and Kermann. Those are the mean of three ten bowls of the last 20 years. And since the knots into the teens, those are the ones. So we break down Tropic Thunder and talk about how it's problematic in 2023 and whether it should be or not and about Brooks and movies. And that's what I wanted to ask about. You know, I met him. We didn't talk with him. I think I met him at Jennifer's when we were watching. We'd watched the Bachelor and do goofy stuff like that. But I think he was there. And I think they were just about to get married. And I wanted to take him off guard of the beginning and go, okay, here we go. Justin Thoreau, first question. What are your thoughts on Jennifer Anderson in one hour? What a great beginning to make him move. Wait, this isn't going to be about that. But he did get pop rods. That's a hassle. We didn't even get an L. That's just my thoughts on it. It's always hard to be in a situation like that. And then they're always up Jennifer's ass. And she's very good about it. But man, she gets how did I get out there? Well, the line in the sand for me is like, say you go out in your celebrity and maybe it's at the restaurant that's in there. But at your house, they're outside the gate. Yeah. Wherever it is, 24 seconds. Wherever you go, that is a gilded cage. That's a tough one. Yeah. I mean, I fought through them to get over to your place today. I dream about having it. Anyway, this is Justin. He's in White House plumbers. White House plumbers with Woody Harrelson. We talk about their friendship and that movie and him playing G Gordon Litty. That's out now. Well, here he is, Justin. And you'll get to know him. I just choked and almost died. Nobody cares. No one rushed me to save me. He's fucking people. You're off the charts for energy today. I am? Yeah. I'm a cheap pudding. Papa. And some like it. You know, my first stand-up, it was Papa getting kicked in the groin. Oh. That's Papa. You can kill the nuts. Oh. You can kill the nuts. You can kill the nuts. Grunt, not in the crotch, I think. This is me in college. Here's my, I'll do a follow-do in a mind. Here's my first joke. I got a new car. Well, it's not my new. It's an O.D. I got a second park wherever I want. Got a freak, what everyone? Park wherever I want to. Because UPS trucks used to just park really well. Like Amazon. I can't walk you through all of them guys. There was a 10 out of 10. That is not in your current set. Is it? No, it might come back. I just wanted to. Best of. Welcome. Welcome to the podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, our guest today, you are. He's a real, let me tell you something. First of all, Dana, to get off on the right foot. This is not some sort of puff piece like smartness. Oh, yeah. You're precious, precious, smartness. Look at it. It's not about once a week and just tear me to shreds. And I saw Jason Baton a couple nights ago. And I said, it's a really terrible feeling. Because you can't, I can't punch back. You know, like there's no, I can't, they're on the air. They got the fucking bandwidth. You know, they got those. Three against one. Jason, Jason wasn't even at dinner. I don't know what happened. Hey, I was there very early. I could have gone. Hey, come on, you guys. I just, that was a horrible Sean Hayes. No, they're, they're very nice. They're great. Just and remember when I was on, remember, I'm sure you watched it on at times. He said, I saw a spade and then he, he doesn't say where he goes. We were at both at a seafood restaurant and he talks about, and I go, do you mean Koi? Isn't that a sushi? Who the fuck calls it a seafood right? I left so hard at that. Because I was just on the fan now and every people are like, what should we get? I'm like, let's go get seafood. The Japanese seafood. It's hard to, you got to identify with the restaurant is. So what's up today, man? How are you? I'm good. I'm in New York City. I speak to Sean Hayes. I just saw his play the other night, which was fabulous. Good night, Oscar. It's so good. I'm plugging him now. Who's in it? Who's in good night, Oscar? What's the, what's the storyline? It's a, oh God. It's about Oscar Levant, a sort of famous pianist, humorist, and a rac contour. And it sort of puts place on the evening that he has to appear on a Jack Car show. The best play I ever saw. I have a car show. I'm not a theater, I, but I, my wife, I mentioned her twice now. I'm all in love with a theater in recent times, now that we're old. But we saw the Freeman in London in a blue, blue, my mind as a play. You know, theater is one of the things it's, there's nothing better when you see a good play. And there's also nothing worse than when you're watching a bad one. And so it always makes you feel like that, you know, there's, you're spinning a, a gun with, you know, two bullets in the chamber, you know, you think, oh God. Now when you, when you go, when you go last night or whenever to see Sean and you know ahead, it's probably going to be horrible. Do you do any prep work? No. I, you know, I, I, I was a big group going, you know, like the smart list guys all went. Obviously, it was a opening night. It was a big fanfare. And you know, it was like a real who's who of, of people and of funny people too. I did see that. I just saw you on that. I was looking and I know that smart list has a, they, Dana, they redid a Hummer and they put smart list all over it and they drive that around the country. So to let them know they go, it's the three guys and they pop out like the tank out of the top. They are the cool, the cool kids. And if it was high school, if life is high school, they are definitely the cool kids at chimney corners. They're great though. They're all like whatever that chemistry is, it's very funny, which I would also argue you guys have as well on your podcast. They're very, very likable. And smart, I just watched Justin in the Watergate show. It's called what Justin? I'm going to be your wife. It's called the White House. White House plumbers. Yep. Close enough. And he's on that and it's going to be on what HBO May 1st, we're just getting right to the plot. No, I'm just going to say this because I just saw it and you look a lot like the guy in it. The plays G Gordon Litty. And I watched one last night and I started one this morning. I got to feel I don't know where it goes, but I would say it looked like a lot of fun B. It looks super fucking cool. It looks shot cool. And who is a director on that? Is it Dave Mandel? Dave Mandel from Dave Fessano writer. Yeah, old S&L writer. That Dave Mandel? Yeah. That Dave Mandel. Dave Mandel from Veepe. Yeah. And S&L? Did you swap the cameo within the first two minutes of White House plumbers? Was he coming to your office or Woody's office? He comes in the office. Yeah. Which is Jim Downey who we're talking about. He's sweet enough to come in and do a cameo. And we all got to bent his ear about early S&L days. Oh, he is the greatest talker ever. There's so much you could just sit there and listen to him. I mean, I'm certain to you guys, he was sort of, I guess, more intimidating. But you know, like the thing when someone's, I guess, kind of your, was he your boss? Or no, I mean, he's a writer. Yeah. No, he was head writer when I first got there. And that's not really Dana's boss. That's my boss. Wasn't, but I was, I was more, I was scared of Lauren in a way like most people are. Jim was pretty, he was, he was pretty approachable, but I'd be more nervous about him now, but yeah, when he came on our podcast, he called me the day before and I was driving. We talked for an hour and a half and I said, you've just done the podcast now. We have to do it tomorrow. He, no one could talk like him, but yeah, I just wanted to overall just, I researching you, you're like, you're, you're, you're kind of do everything. You're very light on your feet. You do a lot of voices. You do a lot of characters. You do a lot of comedy. You do a lot of drama. I don't, I just want you to comment on that. I don't want to go like, was this your career plan? But you do do a lot of stuff, James. I do a lot of stuff. I do a lot of stuff. There's, I mean, obviously lucky to a large extent, but I kind of, I don't know, I, I, I owe a lot of it to sort of just having a short attention span and that I can't, when I do one thing for too long, I get kind of bored and I think, oh, I don't want to do that again. I don't want to do this again. And then I just sort of, and I'm, I guess patient enough that I can, I can go without doing something. I don't, if there's nothing I really, it's perking my interest, you know, so I'm not one of those people that feels like, oh, I have to be working all the time just to be doing something. So I'll, I'll go for stretches without work, but you know, sometimes cooking something up in the lab, you know, writing something or, um, um, where I'll do, you know, just sort of an animated thing or I don't know, it's weird. I, I, it's not, it's been a very bizarre kind of like, you know, I guess career, but it, it's sort of just, it's sort of has, well, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's sort of, well, it's a, it's a little bit, though, if the word gets out kind of like what can he do, well, could he write our script? Yeah, could he direct sure? Will he produce maybe? Can he play an Irishman with a good accent? Can he, it's the big, you know, can he write Tropic Thunder and then write, you know, being a, uh, Mulholland, dry or whatever that, uh, David Lynch film. So it is like, it's hard to pin you down. It's great not to be pinned down. I think that's the best kind of career ever. A virtue and it, it, it leads to some more interesting choices sometimes to, to kind of, um, not be able to be typecast and certain, or just seen in certain ways, you know, in certain lights. I guess that's a gift, though, because there's very like even in the comedy world, some people go, oh, why don't you do that comedy movie? I go, first of all, if they want a comedian, they start with these top five, no matter if they're right for the script or not, they just go out to them. And then after that, if they want this kind of comedy, they go to me. If they want this two percent different from that kind, they go, because people go, oh, you should do stuff like Sandler, but that's a gift. You're doing a lot of different things and that's not always up to the actor. Yeah. I mean, it's gotten better. I mean, as we all know, like, you know, when you first start out, you're, you'll take anything. You know, it's like you just need to, you need to be seeing how things are made. And, you know, so I started out and I did like, I was an extra on like, maybe the worst soap opera in New York's history. You know, like, and a lot of people did it. You know, you get the extra work. Now it was a half hour soap called loving. Good call. I remember loving. It was kind of like a lot of time to end it. It wasn't like, you know, so the whole thing. I see. But it was, and I was an extra on it and then they gave me a played a drug dealer and they gave me a couple of lines. But it was really, you know, that was more just, and it's also hilarious because, you know, those soaps are usually written by, you know, guys who are much older and, you know, they're trying to write like cool drugling go. So I had like lines that were like, you know, like, oh, let's get, let's give them this stuff and they'll get a really good buzz on, you know, like, you got the scratch in the largest. You know, like, you know, whatever. So it's like no drug dealer in the world. It was funny. I was actually doing it with this other actor. I learned a big lesson. We thought, oh, this is so terrible. So let's kind of send it up and make it fun. You know, like, let's just so that when we watch it, you know, a week later when it dares, you know, we can all have a giggle. And so we sort of did it sort of bad, you know, like, like, hey, this stuff's going to get you higher than the guy. Like, this stuff's really good, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. Then we went and we watched it like a week later and we were mortified because the writing didn't look bad. Like the other actors didn't look bad. We looked fucking terrible. And it was because we weren't understanding the medium of it. It's like if you're going to try and be funny, do it in the medium that you're supposed to be funny in, not on a daytime soap opera. You know, it didn't mean I was like, no one's going to think that it's a sketch show, you know. So you never know what they're going to like though. Sometimes like, oh, you guys are awesome or get out. We ever fired some merrily from a show. I've never been fired. You know, really fired. And they just showed me how many times have you been fired as the real question I've never been fired, you know, really fired in. They did get out of getting fired. What does that look like? I was in a lot of firing going on. I was surprised they let me get in the costume and go in the fake helicopter with James Ferrentino. And then they said, hey, come down here and a hundred crew. And this is in the 80s. And they said, yeah, we're going to let you go. So I had to walk in front of everyone like the old TV show Blame. Shame. Shame. Shame. So there are things that people have been fired off of. And it's always kind of like to call them afterwards. But hey, that was fucking not cool, man. That was fucking. You always have to take their side. You know, what the fuck was that? It was nuts. Even though you were the one loving to get them off. You were horrible. You fucking got it. Well, James Ferrentino was high as a kite, literally coped up and straight vodka. We were up in the fake chopper. And he got a smile when they started approaching the chopper. So I kind of felt like, I think Jimmy kind of said, I think the kids got to go. So I sucked. And I was so happy to get out there. I did it to make money. And that's never a good reason. That's why you get it. It's the worst decision when you think like, this is smart for my career or this will be good money. Like every time I've done that, I'd make it terrible. I usually ruin it. You share when you might have done that. No. No. No. Because you don't want to appear ungrateful, you know, because you're also happy to be working sometimes. But it usually doesn't pan out if I have learned that lesson, which is, you know, it has to have, I have to be wanting to lean into it creatively, you know, and find it enjoyable. It seems like if you, have you been through a period or is this sort of so-called the most offers you're getting right now, or was there a period's hotter? It seems like you just have this very even trajectory. It's kind of, I just kind of bump along, you know, like I don't, I don't, in a good way, I don't think I've ever had that like overnight, anything, you know, like there's no been, like, there's no moment where I've ever been like, hotter than ever. It's just kind of like I've just been sort of slow and steady trying to win the race, you know. I've been, obviously, a lot of friends of mine and, you know, have had that thing where all of a sudden Hollywood's want, taps them on the head and the next day they're fucking everywhere and you think, holy shit. And I can't even, I don't think my nervous system would be able to handle that kind of thing, you know, anything. I see you have a trophy, look at Dana, he's got a trophy behind him. What do you think that's for? What? I don't see what. Yeah. That's boxing? I can't see. Cheerleading is. Oh, cheerleading. Pretty close, David. I'm not, I'm, oh, last place. Last place. No way. I won't say a year or a quarter, but you have a lot of stuff going on. Just, just, yeah. In my office. If I put the camera around it, it wouldn't look this terrible. I'm a complete mess. I'm just at a room somewhere that's nice and tidy. Can I ask you just for a second? Because one thing is about your physicality. Like, you can really look good, good. You and David have that in common. You can look over your shirt off. And then I heard you were a break dancer and my son was a break dancer. So he had a few questions for you. So when you were 10, how many years did you do it? Like a couple of years or? I did it. Really young. And I did it. I really loved hip-hop. And I really loved break dancing. And I did it. I want to say for, I mean, you never stop, really, do you? But I was, it's probably hardcore and for like two or three years, maybe. Okay. I have such an appreciation for it. I mean, it really is floor gymnastics. Power moves. It teaches you how to use your whole body. It's, it's, he asked what did you, did you do, were you more of a top rock or footwork? I was, I was a pretty decent popper, sort of popper and lockin. And then, and then I was good at floorwork. You know, I was, you know, I could definitely, that's backspin, handspin, headspins a little. And then I could win, I tried to, I attempted a win mill like a year ago and boy did that not go well. It's, you know, even to just do a little floorwork is really exhausting. What's the phrase? What's your best of frees? Yeah. Oh, I could do a frees up. You know, on, you know, sort of up on, you know, with legs up, you know, sort of, legs up. You hold it? Yeah. Cause that what it is, you spin and start. Describe break dancing on a, on a podcast. Yeah. I would freeze it. I would say, it's just more about my cheerlies. It was on the floor. My arms were sort of up like this. And then my legs were bent. Yeah. You're just holding a pose on the floor that takes a lot of, a lot of strength and do, did you have a crew name? Yeah. Yeah, Sergeant Pop and the Bionic Breakers. Sergeant Pop and the Bionic Breakers. Sergeant Pop and the Bionic Breakers. Bionic breakers. I think I read for that. That's all I got. But I do think that physicality stays with you. I mean, I was a runner in high school distance runner and I still like to get that feeling of working really hard cardiovascularly. Have you tried to sprinting recently? Because that's hard. Recently. I still could make a case. I don't know if they do it with CGI, but I would say Tom Cruise printing in Mission Impossible in his mid fifties. That's a lot of good take after take. If that's real, his hip flexors, a lot of stuff has to be working to sprint after 50. I had this sort of delusional and still kind of do all I'm snapping out of it a little bit. This sort of delusional when I'd watch like sports, like the Olympics, for example, like someone on like those rings, what are they called the, you know, or the paulers. I would sort of always watch and go like, I could do that. I mean, like if I was like set up in an ideal situation training camp diet, all the rest of it, I could do that. And then, you know, like, or like swimming, I'd be like, I could do that. I mean, or football or baseball. You know, I just, I had this like in my head like I know that I bet I could do that, you know. I did gymnastics in high school and I did the horse. I did the rings and I did the horse. Really? I did not. And I did the parallel bars. Oh yeah. Why do you think I'm such a fucking piece of rock? Could you do the iron cross? Could you do the iron cross on the ring? Well, that's the fake thing. They do a CGI. I just wanted you to get context. I could do, I could do where I'm on my, like an L sit on the ground, not a V, but an L, you know, you're on your fingertips, stick your legs out. I could do a, I do, I was best on the parallel bars and then, Pommel horse was tougher. Could you do that thing on the Pommel horse where, you know, you could go, like dead mump at legs? Yeah, because I was all obviously upper body strength, but my legs were puny and weak. And then I also did, oh, the parallel bars they did the best on, the rings are very hard, because you have to sort of dislocate when you flip around. And it's very hard to do the first one you get trust that you're going to ruin your shoulders for life. And then, uh, dated my coach, no, I, I have a, I have a quick question about your break dancing, which I'm just going to the phones. The question is, do you carry a slab of cardboard? We did. Yeah, we did. I was cool, most of that. And I remember, here's what I remember, my break dancing is we always had a slab of cardboard with sort of duct tape together, because you have to, you know, you try and find like something like a refrigerator cardboard thing. And then I remember walking around endlessly with a, with a huge radio and the enormous amount of money, right, it would cost to buy those fucking D batteries, you know, batteries, like, any of them, you know, and the, that went in the back. Yeah, they take like 40, yeah. And you got to go get a pack and it's like so much money. And then you play like two hours and all of a sudden the tape starts slowing down when the battery's going, I said, I hear a pop, a pop, jump, don't stop. I know that whole song. Yeah. So anyway, can we talk about it for a few minutes about how you became who you are, like your childhood, just a little bit, because I don't know where you came from. I know your mom was actually a part of it. Well, no, it wasn't a big part of it. I got on the way to me. I got arrested when I was a real kid for vandalizing cars. And I, and part of my sentence, because I obviously can't send a 12 year old or 13 year old to the flammar. My sentence was that I had to do this summer program in Washington, DC, which was break dancing. So you were sentenced to break. Sentence tool is like a move dance, you know. No, but no, it was like it was like a weird thing. I did these like summer programs. Like, I mean, I felt like I was always in like some summer program for summer school or summer. Were you in trouble more, was that a one off or were you kind of in trouble with the law a little bit? I was a juvenile delinquent too for a while, but not I wasn't like a juvenile delinquent, like, you know, like any high criminal activity. It was more just kind of, I was extremely hyperactive and unfocused. So that would always inevitably lead to trouble. Like I would just do things impulsively like a lot of young boys do where you just do something stupid, you know, like I remember I threw a rock through a cab window once. Like I mean, but it wasn't, it was, wasn't like I was like, I'm gonna fucking throw this rock through a cab. It was like, oh, there's a rock. Now I'm holding the rock. What would happen if I threw this and before that thought had finished, it was already through a window. You know what I mean? Like it was that kind of hyperactivity. Uh, impulse control. I guess boys brains. Uh, ADD used to be called ants in your pants. Ants in your pants. Yeah. So that was the diagnosis back then. Swing for the fences with BET MGM, an official sports betting partner of Major League Baseball. Sign up using code, champion and receive up to $1,000 back in bonus bets. If you don't win your first bet, enjoy BET MGM's wide variety of parlay selection features, live betting options, player props, and boosted odds, specials all season long. 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She wasn't she was started writing in the 80s you know but she did take me into the you know that big sort of enormous you know that was famous from all the Presidents man that big war room. She was in one of those floors. Oh those are cool. Yeah she's. She was. This one was really little she would yeah she's like stuffed me under the desk and it was six trillion ball type writers and you know that Emma's mouth is cigarette smoke. So another thing that Flynn filler told me I can't remember his real name that you're a great illustrator and I know you you studied visual arts and stuff just another kind of thing you can do. So you when did that start and I started in when I was really little I had I loved I loved drawing. So I went to I ended up going to college for both visual art and drama so I graduated as a double major and when I got to New York I I actually was doing better with the visual art stuff like meaning like I wasn't doing like you know I wasn't like a painter and that you know I wasn't like doing landscapes or anything I would do like big sort of murals graffiti type stuff I worked in a bunch of clubs and you know I would do graffiti wall and nice did you ever yeah you like basket out then sort of like and yeah I was sort of like an anime sort of graffiti stuff sort of a hip hop blah blah blah you know like Phil Harman had that he was designed album covers and stuff yeah yeah so it's it's weird yeah I know yeah you do all our time fix logo what's that Ben Ben Stillers production company oh yeah I just jump in with some nonsense and everyone else well I know it's so cool I mean you do you still they would call it in the old days doodle just when you're talking or trying to come up with some do you yeah do the drawings and stuff do little sketches in the margins or something or of something if I'm reading but I also just sort of keep a loose sketchbook I don't but I don't do it that much but I do like to occasionally when I remind myself if I'm not working I'll just be like oh yeah I can let's draw something do you still own a 64 pack of cradle that big cinder block with a balcony in it no I mean you've got gone damn color the rainbow with a crown so much because you can't say a soul line out of them well it's just not like a medium I like they you know they just even when I was little they frustrated me I wanted like a black man or I wanted a really fresh magic marker I did not want a fucking crush one fresh right out of the box before the ink starts to run out yeah you don't want to dry it magic yeah listen to this guy I had up crayons with the sharpener on the back so oh wait would you think you know watergate you're just saying someone said it I did you know do you think kids today know that if something bad happens like if some if there's a scandal at Disney and they call it Disney gate like him they say gate about everything that do they think they know it comes from watergate I don't think so they probably think it comes from you know it's just a thing to say they don't know what it means it's a weird it's a weird thing to actually catch on something gate because watergate was one word wasn't it was it a building watergate hotel the watergate hotel in offices like it was just a building it's a it's a condo mm-hmm that's shitty little building never knew how famous it was gonna get never if it had only it shouldn't it was famous I mean it's it is a sort of a landmark in Washington I don't know anything I'm just talking on the way so then again I mean as far as your own ambition is so so then you're then you're gonna become a Broadway actor but you did study in college a bit but you're an illustrator and then you you just auditioned and started getting work or did you struggle not yeah we all I struggled just like everybody else I you know it's a good it's it's fun to reminisce about because I I came up with a great there were other actors that are now we all know and and we were all sort of in that group and we all sort of started to happen or things started going well at different times but New York was a I think different than LA you know LA I feel like I could be wrong you know but LA always like whenever the couple times I did go to audition out there um I would always it felt really competitive and not good and not like everyone didn't want everyone to do well New York because a lot of them are auditioning for theater things that you know they're it felt like supportive like you could see a friend at an audition and be like hey great job or hope you do you know like it was it felt like um didn't feel competitive you know where LA was that was impressive and and is dark and weird I mean auditioning there it just was not not fun yeah you're driving you go park in the structure you then I mean just the amount of effort that it took to go to an audition in Los Angeles you know it was an all day affair sometimes and but do you remember uh you you had to go pick up the script like in the valley the day before and then bring the whole script home read it and then go back to audition for three lines in the script yeah terrible or or they wouldn't even give you that they just give you some pages and go like science I'm not supposed to do this and it's just this is pre cell phones right because I would get lost and I'd start crying I just pull over and go I'm fucked I'm my my appointment is in 10 minutes I'm in cold or city I'm a skyd yeah and you'd look for a pay phone it was a nightmare pre-homster's listening yeah it was terrible where's in New York where you do it it was like it felt like you know you drop it off something at the dry cleaners then you hit your audition then you go to the grocery store you know like it it felt like an aunt more than a and in a weird way you can kind of get more of them done here in New York but it would always felt weird because it always be like yeah they they want to put you on tape for everyone in LA and I just always envisioned this enormous plane that just had tapes dumping off the back of it just into nothing so you would never hear back from anything you never you know I was so humiliating I even they said you'd be good for commercial like I wasn't like clicking in any other area so they go you've got a great look for commercials you have blonde hair I was like I've got a pretty sweet body you know so they were like and look young so I go still my gymnast stuff was going on a little bit at that point and then I get this SBV Sutton Barthom Menaryl Disease we called it and it was a commercial agent and they would send me out you know God love them twice a day so I'd go to the valley when it's a hundred degrees wearing a suit then go in the trunk and get shorts drive over and you're in college in this one and you're and I went up for one year and I did not get one nothing so humiliating it's how did I fucking ever make it out of that it was like on that name talk about anxiety and sadness like we have to do a look at their own name storm back then I would have had it I was like do you remember those conditions you'd go on where it like it would be for a commercial and you'd and they wouldn't want to tell you what the product was or they wouldn't want to tell you what what the concept was and then you go into a room and there'd be like a beach ball a pool noodle you know a funny pair of glasses and they'd be like just do something and you'd be like oh yeah no clown get a room chumper on clown they go we're not going to say what is like go fuck yourself no I didn't I said okay what is it I jump on the beach well yeah the worst one I ever went on was actually for thin red line and it was although I didn't know it wasn't but it was and I knew it was a Terrence Malik movie and it was awarding yeah and it was the worst audition I've ever had in my life because they they didn't they they of course there was no script of course there was no character there was no whatever and I go to this office building on 68th Street or something wherever it was and and it wasn't with him obviously it was like with some you know the second assistant to the casting director and then they sort of flick on the camera and they were like okay just pretend you're in war and I was like what and like they were like you can dump over the chairs or pretend they're you're in a fox hall or whatever and I was like like what the hell am I supposed like so I'm like you just a lot of mistakes not pretending you're in war shooting but I don't have any lines there's nothing I can say and I'm not going to do what is you do I'm just basically kind of rolled around on the floor for about three minutes and then and then when I don't think I can do this but that's one of those ones you're like you really just feel like a monkey on a string you're like what you know you have to at least give me something tell me what I'm supposed to do in this right just give me an angle you're scared and war you're these people are coming and yeah I know what you mean set up you know it's like David would have done it he would have hauled out his Michael you guys would have been great at a serge just I would I don't know about this I don't know about this missile serge he's a missile there was no missiles I don't like missiles my glasses are broken now it was Sean and stomping around with that with one of the prostitutes in the movie and and he's like we're going to hook up with this girl and we're going to pass around and Michael did Fox like you got to give me a minute on this he was he was the nice guy in the movie and they were all casual days of war of course great movie so funny that I would even remember that movie let alone based my whole stand-up routine it's it's it's always a winner so just did you I mean when did you know you get you had an ear like you could do accents and voices were you asked and then just learned I can learn it or because seems like you have a I have some English family so I can I can kind of do a couple English accents which ones oh I don't like it I'm well there's tables I mean there's they are the sort of the you know the clips sort of upper class English then there's sort of the in Barnett are always doing bits on on the sort of the guy rich yeah exactly you know job or a stated job you know he did a job when we're gonna say the job you know it's like smash yeah yeah super working class but yeah I got the topants in me sub-ents exactly come on let's just got my whole audition thank you round about all me I like in your audition for the war you're rolling around like an idiot and then you just go yeah I'm not good you cut them off from firing you you go I'm not into it I'm not you know what they call me that tell Terrence I'm not it's a no go but hit me on the next one so the next time they asked you to do something like that you just you just tapped out no they're just go well I need some pages or something you do you do you need you can't okay it's kind of like handing someone a crown and saying hey can you paint the cysteen chapel and you're like no I this I don't want to have a crown no it's actually easier because they go just paint something you here's a wave at least you can you can make up something but if it's just a random war you're like it might happy for the point of my dad I'm sorry I said Korean war yeah that matters war did you know it doesn't yeah to me oh yeah go ahead get a good one I just wonder where you when you when you first rode a film and it was dropped after that with Ben I mean what get out of town it's not worth the applause button he well I mean it was a long road but it was you know Ben used to being Ben became friends I was doing a play on Broadway with his then girlfriend and and we and I was a huge Ben Stiller show fan um sure just like it was hilarious but so he came to the show and or opening night or it was kind of hanging around the theater a couple times and I was sort of quoting the his show back to him and we ended up sort of becoming friends and found out that we had a very similar sense of humor um and he would and he was just sort of blowing up at the time doing you know with like something about Mary and and you know oh fuck he's right in the pocket yeah that was the moment that he was like really exploding and people yelling at him on the street um but when he would come to do to New York to do like you know Letterman or uh Conan or whatever he would do these like really elaborate bits you know you know like he'd really work on these you know sort of yeah yeah and so I would sort of like help we we just sort of sit around and come up with bits for him to do you know or he would say something like he would go on Letterman I remember one he did where he said yeah I don't really want to talk about the movie I'm promoting I just you know I had to take a break and I've been in France and I've been painting and um Letterman's like oh he's been painting and he's like yeah just a little sort of ramshackle place in the south of France and I pay this prostitute I paint her and you know every night and blah blah and Letterman's oh okay and then the reveal was that he would hold up these these uh this artwork that was just done in pasta with watercolors and like like a prostitute like made out of fusilli um so we'd work out stupid bits like that when you talk about doing TT what's that when it's just just under yeah then we so then he he had the original sort of idea for it which was um it was it was it was let me talk about Thin Red Line it was that period of time when it felt like everyone was going to do a war movie like you know like Oliver Stone was doing a war movie and Stanley Cooper was doing it was so many Vietnam movies in a row um yeah and the press at the time for them was very sort of serious you know and all the actors when they would get interviewed like uh sentence like you know they said you know when we shot um you know Oliver wanted us to be in war you know and let me tell you where it was war you know we kind of and we may not angle and so he had a the original sort of joke sort of if it was the one line pitch to me was um let's do a movie about a bunch of actors that come back to LA after making a war move and they'll have PTSD from the movie um so that was sort of the original idea um and then I said it was like well what if we just and also Blair which was really popular at the time I said what if it's like that they go to do a war movie but then they get caught up in a real war and that was sort of that was the sort of the kernel that's like both moment yeah yeah that's great and then everything and then you get good people because uh by yeah okay so you get good people because you know he's doing well it's a funny idea uh uh yeah did with a script it took a long was years of writing that script because I was working at that point and doing I think I was doing six feet under or something and he was obviously like on fuego so um we we would sort of pass the script back and forth like I'd write some we'd write like a funny scene that had no place to go like it was a funny yeah here's an idea that's funny like the first scene in the movie where he's you know got his hands blown off and it's the guy going like come on you can make it you know and he's like you feel my legs and you know and he's stop it you know like um so I wrote that scene and and that just made us laugh and I don't know we just sort of toss it around and then gradually a script started to formulate take shape it was it was Monty Python asked that first thing because you have real violence or you know the the the two nights and he starts cutting the arms off my legs off yeah but in terms of Ben playing that so serious no man you know I mean we had like a million lines for that you know and the the the the the the the joke in that scene is that he's this action star obviously and that he can't cry and he's he's working across from you know Lawrence Olivia essentially and and it frustrates the other actually like can't even score can't even get the tears going the books up on my man you know like um and so that's Robert Dan yeah you know so that's when we sort of pan out to reveal that this is the shooting of a movie etc yeah it's obviously as you know uh just such a huge comedy it's there's never been anything quite like it I don't think I'd never seen a comedy like that it's also like a huge I mean without any jokes it was a huge movie meaning just as far as like visual I mean a fact to shoot yeah it was yet explosive it was as big as any war movie you know we we I mean as far as the look I mean Ben such me he's obviously you know does get the credit you know um but he's often not credited enough I think with how great a director he is you know he is like a real camera mover knows how to where was it oh yeah or you should oh why oh yeah we didn't do that we didn't need the authentic background why we needed to see a couple of trees rainforest cast happy there's two there's a thing about a movie in comedies probably dramas too it's just these I have whatever you call them word packages that just are transcendent that are funnier as time goes on you know and I think one of them that's less controversial would be the Tom Cruise Les Grossman I want you to take one step back and literally fuck your face yeah which one was it I'm not sure you're on face but that's the that's the kind of thing and again like money piponny I don't know where that influence came from but those type of lines that nonsensical thing I assume it wasn't a guy alone in a room over you together at that point where you're kind of riffing what you get that character say or character came out of you know we you know we wanted Tom to be in the movie very badly and he it was kind of he was like well I read the script and there's he's like there's no like studio presence like why don't we create like a studio character you know and I just had a really bad experience working for Harvey Weinstein and so on a movie that I directed and I I thought shocker and so I'm not going to go ahead and I just wanted to like I just wanted to I wanted to somehow memorialize that bad experience and and so that's how I got that character you know wow it's even funnier fun it's even funnier just that like Ray I remember Joel Silver one time he was going to me he goes hey was that character based on me and I go no he goes damn it he wanted to be based oh funny well the pop-up I four arms and the hands and then the Tom Cruise which you know everyone loved the new top gun I mean he gets shinier and brighter when I look back and I see him now and I look at him in that movie when he's doing the dance slap in the ass at the end it's like the guy is really funny he's so funny and he's so committed you know yeah and I remember kind of because he has some really hard charging lines in that in that movie yeah you could say how to control shit you see all I'm getting in these lines he's gonna say Tom Cruise is gonna say this like yeah as before we'd seen him in any of the tests and hair and makeup and stuff like that well without saying the line which were the ones that were the most scary or you really couldn't use it was too far no you know we had sort of like Ben's a really smart director we you know if we were to sort of pile the script up in all the pages that were written it would probably look like a phone book or three phone books stacked on top of each other Ben is really good at we would always sort of shoot like sort of you know an a b and c category of jokes within the scene and then alternate it's alternate it's alternate it's we had sort of these alternate scripts that we would go okay now we're one where you say this and so in the edit you know when we could you know when Ben was sort of testing the movie he was able to see you know oh this this you know went a little too far let's dial it back and you know I think it could be something simple just like too many f-bombs in a row or something yeah and so we you know and so he could he could ride the edit ride the cut the movie to sort of find the sweet spot because we would have shot all different very slight variations of every scene you know yeah and I think that you know obviously a lot of movies have a lot of people involved and it's nice to have one you know creative vision with other people with almost exact same sensibilities that that's how a great movie has to get made has to be just everyone's on the same page yeah someone had me and Ben I think we're the real guardians of that we you know we I think we both and by the time we shot that we were both so we had been we're with with it for so long that we intuitively knew exactly what anything would want it to be if it had to change on the day it was a real kind of like you know um great collaboration it was sort of a real sort of mini London McCartney thing that was happening on the making of that you know like well the way everything got in it's great the way everything got in and there's no one blocking your shit like the studio downy everyone saying we're all in on this we're all going to do everything I don't care if it's offensive and it's so funny and then even Tom Cruise to his credit finding a spot to be in you know not getting out of it saying no we'll find something and then doing it and then I'm sure if you throw him lines he laughs and just does another take and says oh yeah that's funny let's try that and then when it all comes together and everyone's shocked to see him especially in a movie that's already good and was Woody playing his assistant was Woody in there what's that was what do you know my name mcconnaught he mcconnaught he played the eight kind of hey yeah heck yeah those two different people I know for sure the same fucking person okay it's unbelievable did you guys did Cruise break a lot when he said lines like go fuck your own face he did I was not breaking joy themselves you know I remember and then I remember you know because hey first then you give him these outrageous lines and then Tom Cruise knows how to sell a fucking line you know I mean that guy is super you know he's playing it like it's a straight up drama I mean it's he's not really winking or leaning in or doing anything he's just playing it like as if he was in you know one of his other movies when whenever Tropic Thunder comes up you know I get a lot of you know why you couldn't make that movie today and I kind of it bums me out because I'm like I think you can make that movie today it wouldn't look exactly like that movie but you know I remember kind of taking it hard when when people you know as you would when when people are you know trying to boycott something that you think is is actually on your side or on their side and I remember I lucked out a couple years later after the fact having a drink with Mel Brooks and kind of moaning about it a little bit and and he just he sort of stopped me and he just went nope look you have to just make sure that joke is aimed perfectly at the person who's the idiot you know and and that's your job is to you know you know obviously we're not trying to make jokes about anybody except for Hollywood actors in that movie you know and egos and studios and that kind of stuff so the minute you're sort of he was basically he gave me some comfort around you know because his movies are so brilliant and you know you could say equally say like well you can't make those movies say but yes you can you know you can make you know his his jokes it's weird everyone I think when you see Mel Brooks movie you don't think oh you know that's really uncool that he would write that that you like you know what a horrible person he's batting for you know what I mean yeah right you know obviously you're talking about Blazing Saddles which you know Richard prior wrote a lot of a lot of it with with him and um obviously all the racist people in the movie are idiots and cleave on little is the smartest guy in town and there's some very very naughty words in that movie and crazy things are said in that movie but um but you know again I don't know what we talked to Bill Burr about his stand-up because he'll he'll he'll write outside the line sometimes and he says for himself intention matters like absolutely yeah are you going after a disenfranchised section of the population or you satirizing more privileged people if you want or wherever the target is so I think I'm still recovering that you got to hang out with Mel Brooks and talk to him for an hour. I'm not but it's not like we have this long going yeah in the West Village and we're lounging around it smoking chocolate that Steve Spielberg Steve said um he wishes he didn't take the guns out of ET I just read that too yeah yeah I thought that was interesting that he would say that yeah it's a weird thing you know like um you know they people it's just censorship is a weird thing you know like and it and people are genuinely I think afraid to write things and perform things and do things you know because no one wants to get their head chopped off you know sure you don't want comedy to turn into the same five jokes that everyone's allowed to use and then so when you go outside and try to break some ground I guess there will be more pushback than normal but as long as it doesn't ruin your life but I the intention again you're trying to be funny you're trying to be this and no one's out to get someone yeah there's um in actually I was watching this Oscar Levant play with Sean Hayes that I was watching the other day um let us all the other day he has some great lines Oscar Levant had some great lines where he says like you know there's no such thing as a sincere joke you know you can't bring the house down with a wholesome gag you know it I mean like it's something has to be dangerous about it you know um and catch people off guard and the element of surprise and it's not what you think they're gonna say and it just just fun I mean you know we're all the same but nature is not respectful you know what I mean nor should it be you know what about the Zoolander you did Zoolander you worked on done that with Ben I worked on two with uh with Ben evil evil evil DJ and I was evil DJ and full makeup and was that that's that look like fun and that guy was break dancing that you had that's actually I was did you break dance yeah yeah I had the break dance fight with Owen Wilson and that with uh with uh a Hansel that's the big act three fight scene between me and Hansel this one's always great um did you go and Woody uh what he is in your new show did you go when he did it's our life I did I went there and saw that so I did he did it was fun yeah it was well he um he's he's he's uh him and Owen Wilson the people I met there's such a cool kind of I don't know Texas frequency to them there's something about it's so funny when you do I would actually like to hear your take on this Dana there is a version where you can impersonate Woody Owen and McConaughey probably all at the same time yeah there's something they should all hang out together I think they do yeah no you were fine I don't care she's not even mad at you then they're like I mean these were slipping to more of a stoner kind of like that's what I don't like about Woody Woody Woody is like he's still he's so he's really cute you know I was looking at he's still has those dimples and there's something just uh incredibly likable about him I think you two are great in that this is foils for each other the we're kind of like uh you know it's you know we in in life and in this show you know we're very much it's a very sort of odd couple relationship you know um you know feel it's gonna ask or you know like and it's just he's he is a very kind of I mean in the show he's more sort of uptight gruff whatever um but yeah set you know Howard Hunt Howard Hunt from the CIA yeah yeah we just we laughed a lot he's a very fun guy to work with he's he's very sort of infectious and he's very very very laid back in a way that I wish I could be you know so he's one of those guys that can jump to set like 12 minutes late and 15 minutes late they're like oh hey oh why is everyone oh okay like he had there's no judgment about it oh yeah okay cool yeah he was like that even on SNL back in the 90s there was almost like he's what am I supposed to do it's all kind of thrown away and then he just lands it perfectly he's great yeah he doesn't have it like he has no cortisol in his system whatsoever he just does it great for he uh we had a running gag when he host so when I was the cast member and I was just kidding with him because you know I liked him immediately and the running gag was you could never be depressed what he the rest of your life because you know me you actually know me and so that became a right thing he sent me a frame photo with that phrase on it you know me you know me how could you ever be sad just think of it just all that guy that he's so great so I know that Justin has a favor we'll let you go in a second just so you have a favor do you love you love after hours day and you remember after hours after hours oh um mm-hmm it's a good thing dude if you're done the best Jeff Goldblum Michelle Fyfer am I crazy no not Jeff Goldblum you know no it's him Catherine O'Hara um oh god it's such a great cast it's where says he's one sort of comedy I guess or in seconds Michelle Fyfer in what what are you talking about she was in Scarface which now our future after hours after hours after hours but I think I'm so I was I was I knew what's the one with Jeff Goldblum and Michelle Fyfer where they go all night isn't it what's the one with Michelle do you know if I'm is that even a movie are those people dangerously azon science no that was John Malkovich I'm I'm out of both of you I wanted to know what's on Justin's favorite film list you know or or you know I always hate that bet your favorite or films you revisit or films that stayed with you young Frankenstein if we're talking about Mel Brooks is definitely yeah yeah I stole a big bit from young Frankenstein for Tropic Thunder actually I mean that's you did well it was you were influenced the Beatles were influenced yeah there's the scene where Jack Black gets tied to the tree to kick drugs you know he says no I don't let me off that tree you know young cunning I'm a baffling but don't let me blow it up that's kind of a lift from young Frankenstein when he goes into the room do you want to go to the room with the monster he said don't let me out no matter what I say I'm gonna go so it's it's in the same universe that joke and then of course he goes in there and he's immediately pleading it's all in Vaudeville it's all in Vaudeville at some points everything has been there yeah came fear saw a recent cast that was a movie Sarah Sherman from SNL said she watches that all the time to cheer up the the second the second one I think was the second one she meant not the Mitch and one but the movie is so good it really is do you remember it been still a show he he did that he did that sort of fake I guess fake trailer where it's Eddie monster and Cape Fear yes yeah he's he is the Eddie monster of all time that's that's why that that show because he had left SNL he talked about it here and then he suddenly I was at that Emmy Awards and then he was so shocked that he won best show but it was it's another show stands the test of time I know he was a he was a he was a group of writers performers Bob Odin Kirk I mean Jesus his man said he did that Charles Manson it's so hilarious come on like I'm Bob Odin Kirk I'm so good oh you're so good so as far as SNL should we cover that for a second yeah yeah yeah yeah I was texting with David yes I would never be on SNL so I don't know what the you know you want to see but I you know massive massive you know I haven't said it at the top Dana David already knows I'm a huge fan him but also likewise you know well that was we heard that you liked our podcast at least I threw David or something like week three so I immediately yeah you were really really happy as being a super fan of yours and then like he likes our podcast I mean it's I mean it is like SNL I mean it must be a curse to be an SNL cast member because I'm sure you get you know bum-barred with questions you know about every aspect of it what's it like working live what's the most scary thing and then of course probably the worst thing which is like you know what you should do you know and make a great SNL bit you know it'd be great on SNL this is you know Dana I have one funny sketch idea and I want to go host and just do one sketch and leave I could handle that we'll just do a guest spot just do a guest spot I know it wouldn't make any sense because it's not no I said just do a guest spot I don't just do a walk on it's there's a lot of those walk-ons now where it's like oh look there's you know Fred Armies and he's not a member of the cast he's not hosting he's just walking around here he's playing this character I'll be Christopher walk on you know I saw I saw a great walk in sketch where he's watering plants he's a guard in talking to the plant I might be lying again yeah and he goes their cactuses and he goes cactuses are intimidate so I put googly eyes on him he's gonna skin he cacti puts googly eyes on him then he keeps saying googly eyes and it's hysterical perfect googly eyes perfect for for walk and you know you you were on SNL with Kyle Mooney he was doing some stuff yeah he just called me a bunch and hey can you just do it it was a walk it was technically a walk on it was nothing meaning cool but this is the only thing we're in the air of the whole podcast so that's it hi Dana what what's your mind I think Justin Thrill really wants to host a show would that be terrific all reach out to people that's the last time I definitely don't want to host SNL that to be his absolute really or too scary I get so scared by that I mean I don't like my heart and then I even like when I you know Amy Polar used to always be like come to you know you see B you know when she was doing it here in New York and I it would make me anxious you know I loved it but it felt like watching trapeze work you know with no net and it just made me so anxious I much prefer kind of being able to go away learn lines really rehearse and then just come at like that it's so see to your pants the idea to like on a Monday you're kind of like hey what's the idea and then by Tuesday you're kind of flushing it out Wednesday like let's read it and then by Saturday no it's crazy it shouldn't exist in some ways the host you asked Woody did he need any help with writing any punch ups on monologue or anything no I saw him on Wednesday and he's like I'm gonna go well but he was like out partying he's like best way to do it did a little punch up when he went on sort of did a walk on a zoo lander but yeah I don't know it's to me it's like and then when you see people who are genuinely relaxed doing it because you can kind of tell people who are unrelate not relaxed doing it you know not that their hands are shaking or anything like that but it's normal but like it feels hard to even let me see him you go he had this kind of you know plant your leg say the line beautifully confidence that was so just like nice to like great to watch and then obviously you guys you know like you're delivering on you know probably with minutes and you know there was just kind of like when you can tell people are a having fun and be at least appear like they're not nervous Phil was like he was like we hear Dan Acroid was like he almost was it well he obviously was a pro and he was in so many things he had this binder and he was he could memorize he could read the cards really well but then in between scenes he'd be reading a book about Evan Roode Alport motor schematics happens like how can you I don't know I would just be in such a state of distress I think that I don't know you don't have to do it I totally get you I mean it's hard to host it if I host it and there's a sketch somewhere you could do it Irish guy or British guy I'll try to bring you in just for one scene if we need a guy to lay on the floor and act like he's in the army yeah exactly we're gonna do all the sketch about that but I'm not playing worse night merritt's improv we go we don't we're not gonna tell you what the sketches I'm not gonna tell you what the sketches just give me a beach ball of pool noodle and just send me out there you know well aside from his new show he also owns raise bar and I want to thank you for coming down today and talking to us Justin thank you for having and I will see you on my next trip when are you coming to New York David it's all pretty top secret but you know I'll call you in some other channels send me the file could be there's only one other thing besides leftovers which I think is a brilliant show mosquito coast all the stuff you've done it's so you have such a cool career and then you did this thing with Norman Lear where you did those live yeah it was all in the family and stuff that that I thought was was gonna be a train wreck but it really landed beautifully yeah it was great and it actually you know it's become sort of an annual thing I mean talk about a I mean I really can't take credit for that show that was an idea that I had where that I imparted to you Kimmel who then turned it into this sort of you know super bowl winning football team of of talent you know you got a lot to pick from if you keep doing you can keep doing partridge family happy days whatever you want well I mean we can yeah you can go we can keep going but I mean I play Fonzie everyone's like every day is like weren't you playing Fonzie. The Chachi Chachi my morning down is Chachi that was good. Chachi was cool. Chachi loves Joni or what was that show. Then do you remember the beginning of happy days and then I'll let you go. He takes the salt off no he has the salt they put the salt shake your top back on but they put it really loose and he pours it on his fries and it all goes over it and he just looks back to camera keeps chewing his gum I'm like he didn't even give a reaction I thought was genius. He didn't even go whoa that's like your brand out like that's what I can do that. He's my guy that's my Uda Hagen that was your moment Uda like I can do this. Yeah I go oh do nothing I can do that. What was your early comedy and not to prolong this but I don't know what a great time. It was I was early just a very early influence besides me like I only my earliest comedy memories are notebooks but also my dad making me this stay up to watch SNL with him you know Baluciac Roy. Yeah I killed a rat. 100% same thing life of Brian early on animal house. Holy grail all those are unreal and then getting an Eddie Murphy trading places and those kind of things all those old movies that were just funny catty shack all Bill Murray and then I end of Ghostbusters all the things just all my guys I liked I'd follow them to whatever movie they were in cracked me up made me laugh Steve Martin albums Steve Martin you surely takes a solid narrative. I think like. Stig in Steve Martin takes is I've never I've met him once but not in any meaningful way that takes his comedy very so like he's a master of yeah he's sort of a a student of science of the comedy and the bit like which I admire because he's has a lot there's something that moved I mean the jerk obviously. The when he came out and deconstructed the idea of a comedian with this guy in the white suit I'm a wild and crazy guy I'm sure somehow it influenced me humbly saying that because he didn't really have jokes he did two minutes on just his character asking for a blue spot. Yeah. Got to get a blue spot and the commitment of it you know that was sort of this brilliant new move and then there were all Moims was around Richard Prior was around obviously George Carlin yeah and kept going to canison and on and on but I love comedians. I do too it's terrifying I mean Dave you're so I always when I've ever seen you perform live or on television Netflix or whatever it's like you have that that ease that's just so I guess dry but it's also so fucking funny the way it's this there's a musicality to it like where you sort of drop in these little and then you know that you sort of like go it is a magic trick to me so I don't really want to know how you do it but very much appreciate it we just found a little extra time what's that what's that we just found a little extra time to talk to you now we have no no David does have an incredible like throw away casual way and little phrases and there's I see Neelan in him and Dennis Miller and and but he's his own own man but they were they were really kind of pretty special yeah I have to go out there and scream and dance around they do voices and David so low five and it's very cool I admire that too because I just like Richard Prior says if your bomb and just start pushing energy I was doing it last night throwing out there I was having a slow patch so I started talking a lot louder and moving a lot more I go full John Bane you slow him down there's not even any jokes in there it's just all energy now just always stop on people that come on you know whatever just energy because if their energy is going down and you reflect it then the souffle just collapses but you just say Jadana Don Rickles he's to go look at that over there he's like I want a cookie and you go these aren't really jokes but if they're set in the form of a delivery and oh no Rickles was the greatest because he just sounds like a joke that does another show star put him in the corner and get him a cookie and just all rhythm and you go I think that was a joke and Dennis Miller used to one time he said I sometimes will throw in a word even I don't know what it means I just make it up and just because it sounds like with the rhythm that's the funny part and everyone laughs and then they go I didn't even get that one I don't even but it just you know it sounds funny all right Justin I'm gonna go so you guys stay on for another 10 minutes while I draw it all we're gonna talk about you David thank you Justin you're a good dude so great to meet you and I'd love to see you in New York David and I will come out together please come when the when the the White House plumber's it's on White House plumber it may Monday may for HBO or on Max or whatever or HBO Max Woody Harold Sin has Howard Hunt and of course Justin throw is Lee and a headboard and Liddy a very gentle kind of boring character I mean that was the best his he lit himself on fire he ate a rat I mean this guy is something so that's that's that's gonna be awesome for you so anyway anybody got anything else something else already Greg and that Heather S don't read who else is on this other episode this has been a podcast presentation of cadence 13 please listen then rate review and follow all episodes available now for free wherever you get your podcast no joke folks flying the wall has been a presentation of cadence 13 executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade Chris Corquan of cadence 13 and Charlie Feinand of brilstein entertainment the shows lead producers Greg Holtman with production and engineering sport from serena regan and Chris Basil of cadence 13